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Gun thoughts If there ever was a better time to pen some of my thoughts on guns...... 1. The simplistic view is that I am not for any form of guns being available to the public at large. 2. Guns have always appeared to me as a form of oneupmanship. Kinda like how we "venerate" the biggus dickus on campus; we all wanna have the "power"... 3. Sure, guns don't kill people, people kill people. Puhleeeze! Would the outcome have been the same if knives were used rather than guns? Again, simplistically, no; I'd like to think that fewer lives might have been lost. 4. But I can understand that there might be circumstances and instances where pro-gun might be alright too. Plus the folks who are pro-2nd Amendment. Ok. Fine. But how do you propose to ensure that these same guns do not fall into the hands of the undesirables? Locking the guns at home may be the answer for some, but what if these too are taken by someone deranged or mentally-unstable? 5. What if the gun-owner himself/herself becomes unhinged? What safety for the family or public then? 6. Granted, there cannot really be any meaningful answers to these thoughts/questions without infringing on the rights and freedoms of one or all sides. But I guess maybe that's what accommodations and compromises are all about; both sides give up some things in exchange for some other things..... 7. I'm sure if there was a way to ensure that these guns do not fall into the wrong hands, all sides would be happy to conform. 8. One suggestion I have would be to have an active register at all police stations, whereby the police will have to do not just a background check on the gun-owner, but that this check is done twice a year before a renewal is granted yearly. 9. Random visits to check on the safety of where the guns are kept to be conducted yearly. 10. All members of the house, and their neighbours, to be vetted prior to issue of gun permit. 11. Maybe these measures sound high-handed, but then I can't think of others as yet; I'm sure many out there would have better ideas. Sigh..... I'm really horrified about the loss of young and innocent lives in Newtown, and on campuses over the decade or so... Surely we can do something to try and prevent it from happening again? |
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first step get rid of all automatic weapons. no one needs an automatic weapons for hunting. make it an offense to own miltary weapons.
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1) I don't think the best time to talk about gun control is on the heels of a major tragedy, people's emotions are still running high and they're more likely to ignore the facts and let their fear take control. 2) I will concede that perhaps greater gun control is called for, but I don't think that the federal government should be in charge of gun control. People who live in the sticks, where help is at least 30 minutes away, have a greater incentive to own a gun for personal protection that people who live in the city, where the police are closer by. 3) When it comes to personal freedoms, remember that the founding fathers included the second amendment so that future generations would have the means to overthrow their government should it become tyrannical. While there are many who scoff at that idea given what civilians are likely to have verses what the military has, remember that the Vietcong managed to fend of the American military with AK-47s, ingenuity, public support, and little else. 4) I wonder what kind of discussion we would be having if the weapon of choice school massacres were pipe-bombs rather than guns.
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first step get rid of all automatic weapons. no one needs an automatic weapons for hunting. make it an offense to own miltary weapons. Who is hunting with them? Who, besides the military, has military weapons? No, really. I'd like to know the answers to these questions. Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum Audentes Fortuna Iuvat Politicians. Lampposts. Assembly Required.
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To the OP: So, yet another of you Rabbit People seem to think that keeping people defenseless is the solution to everything. That is the biggest problem with the disease of Liberalism/Progressivism, you do not THINK, you only FEEL. It's nice that you favor more people being killed by lunatics. I don't. The solution is simple, but you don't have the testicles necessary to admit it. Have the schools hire combat veterans to guard the kids. Some nice old grandpa looking 'Nam vets would be really cool, and they could teach the kids about guns and how to respect them while they are at it. But if some psycho came onto the school grounds with evil intent, the old grunt would do a mag dump on their ass before they got 50 feet.  Come ta think of it, I'd take that job. Killing assholes is FUN!  Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum Audentes Fortuna Iuvat Politicians. Lampposts. Assembly Required.
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Oh, I forgot my manners. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to both of you. Maybe Santa will bring you some common sense.  (I expect that you'll delete all of this, but that is cool. This was Sierra Hotel!) Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum Audentes Fortuna Iuvat Politicians. Lampposts. Assembly Required.
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I think it down-right despicable when the only solution proposed by the pro-gun lobby is to increase the number of guns.... To me, this shows a remarkable lack of empathy, and a general insensitivity to that portion of the country which is against guns... Sure, you can be as pro-choice as you like, with conviction even, but to not even attempt a mite of empathy just shouts "bully" to me... I guess them guns have a propensity to just maim and kill, but also to brainwash the pro-guns into thinking there is no other way than theirs... sigh... Sorry, but I think having a balanced debate is not just hearing the opposite side, but also coming to the table with what you are willing to concede (as much as you dislike it even)... I doubt, then, if all this debate will result in anything meaningful for either side... sigh...
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Aw, thanks. Usually you people delete anything that makes you think. No, really. How can I be the one viewed as a fool when my comments are perfectly logical and rational? Perhaps you should look at your original post. Hmmm ... You might be a rare case of a statist who might engage in a real debate without resorting to their usual silliness. If so, let's do it. Study up on logical fallacies beforehand. I'll warn you, when I'm done with a collectivist who will actually THINK for once, they cease being a statist and become a libertarian ... We can start with the 3 questions I asked kiwi, who you agreed with, and add one more: Why do you agree with him? Give me 4 answers. Hope you're having a great Christmas. Really. Bangkok was a cool place a while back. Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum Audentes Fortuna Iuvat Politicians. Lampposts. Assembly Required.
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I think it down-right despicable when the only solution proposed by the pro-gun lobby is to increase the number of guns.... To me, this shows a remarkable lack of empathy, and a general insensitivity to that portion of the country which is against guns... Sure, you can be as pro-choice as you like, with conviction even, but to not even attempt a mite of empathy just shouts "bully" to me... I guess them guns have a propensity to just maim and kill, but also to brainwash the pro-guns into thinking there is no other way than theirs... sigh... Sorry, but I think having a balanced debate is not just hearing the opposite side, but also coming to the table with what you are willing to concede (as much as you dislike it even)... I doubt, then, if all this debate will result in anything meaningful for either side... sigh...  OK, please first answer my questions above, but then think SERIOUSLY about this, to be answered later: What other option to having at least one armed and trained citizen, along with at least a few willingly trained teachers/administrators carrying concealed, will GUARANTEE, to at least a 99% certainty, that school kids will be MUCH safer? Remember, the death toll in these "open-season zones" averages 14.7. The death toll where an armed citizen is present or very close is 2.5. These shootings have an element of surprise. The latter figure will drop dramatically given alert and ready defenders. NOTHING, including everyone wearing ceramic suits of full armor, can guarantee a zero count. Once again, show me another way that will work that effectively. ------------------------------------------ (Consider this also, for later: ) As to the rest of your quote, the world is NOT a nice place, it is filled with downright evil. Get used to that. IT WILL NOT CHANGE. If you are in a vulnerable defensive position, your only security lies in stronger defenses. Part of defense is a strong offensive capability. Empathy and sensitivity have NOTHING to do with this. We are not dealing with utopian dreams here, we are dealing with cold, hard reality. If these people are against self-defense, they should shut up when things don't work out for them, because the fault is THEIRS. This is how the real world works, there are no unicorns spraying Skittles outta their asses, no magic talismans to ward off evil, and no fairy dust that will keep the bad guys from doing bad things. There is no being a "bully" here at all. A bully takes advantage of the weak for profit and gain. WE are the sheepdogs to you sheep, ready to defend you against the wolves of the world. We have the warrior mentality necessary to do that, a mentality you do not possess. You need us. Let us do our job. In this country, any citizen can be a sheepdog, not just .mil and the cops. Finally, what you are calling "debate" is not debate at all. You are referring to mediation. Look at the history of this country, and realize that we Americans have conceded quite enough already. Too much. It's all been concession on our part, and none on the part of the Rabbit People. It's time for them to give up something. If you have some ideas, we can go over them and even debate them. But we are not talking about mediation here. That is reserved for when 2 parties of equal stature can't come to a compromise. We are by far the superior party in many ways, but we're basically nice guys and gals, and we are being nice enough to listen, for now. So, come up with some good stuff. Oh, I put this in larger type because it's easier to read. Funny how I can hit a basketball at 300 meters with iron sights, but I can't read small type. Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum Audentes Fortuna Iuvat Politicians. Lampposts. Assembly Required.
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Oh, this site is screwy, your post I'm quoting just appeared. On my blog, they just change colors! OK, please first answer my questions above, but then think SERIOUSLY about this, to be answered later: What other option to having at least one armed and trained citizen, along with at least a few willingly trained teachers/administrators carrying concealed, will GUARANTEE, to at least a 99% certainty, that school kids will be MUCH safer? Remember, the death toll in these "open-season zones" averages 14.7. The death toll where an armed citizen is present or very close is 2.5. These shootings have an element of surprise. The latter figure will drop dramatically given alert and ready defenders. NOTHING, including everyone wearing ceramic suits of full armor, can guarantee a zero count. Once again, show me another way that will work that effectively. ------------------------------------------ (Consider this also, for later: ) As to the rest of your quote, the world is NOT a nice place, it is filled with downright evil. Get used to that. IT WILL NOT CHANGE. If you are in a vulnerable defensive position, your only security lies in stronger defenses. Part of defense is a strong offensive capability. Empathy and sensitivity have NOTHING to do with this. We are not dealing with utopian dreams here, we are dealing with cold, hard reality. If these people are against self-defense, they should shut up when things don't work out for them, because the fault is THEIRS. This is how the real world works, there are no unicorns spraying Skittles outta their asses, no magic talismans to ward off evil, and no fairy dust that will keep the bad guys from doing bad things. There is no being a "bully" here at all. A bully takes advantage of the weak for profit and gain. WE are the sheepdogs to you sheep, ready to defend you against the wolves of the world. We have the warrior mentality necessary to do that, a mentality you do not possess. You need us. Let us do our job. In this country, any citizen can be a sheepdog, not just .mil and the cops. Finally, what you are calling "debate" is not debate at all. You are referring to mediation. Look at the history of this country, and realize that we Americans have conceded quite enough already. Too much. It's all been concession on our part, and none on the part of the Rabbit People. It's time for them to give up something. If you have some ideas, we can go over them and even debate them. But we are not talking about mediation here. That is reserved for when 2 parties of equal stature can't come to a compromise. We are by far the superior party in many ways, but we're basically nice guys and gals, and we are being nice enough to listen, for now. So, come up with some good stuff. Oh, I put this in larger type because it's easier to read. Funny how I can hit a basketball at 300 meters with iron sights, but I can't read small type. When did Thailand become a state? Although the original post(view point) is written very well Seems everyone wants to tell us what to do, yet I see no valid points made to refute any of your views, only more questions asked of you. As seen from a citizen's point of view,a case of 'you have to live it to understand it'.Obviously the original author has never had to truly defend himself,or those close to him. AsianMatchMate.com Parody Of a Real Sex Site
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Bob, you ought to clarify that statement. I know what you're trying to say, but it didn't come off the way you meant it, man!  Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum Audentes Fortuna Iuvat Politicians. Lampposts. Assembly Required.
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Hey, there, Moce. Hope you're doing well over there. I'm mellowing out a bit, but I'm still angry and short with 99% of the sheeple bleating inanities all over the net. They are operating from emotion at the expense of gathering facts. That makes me go Marine D.I. on their silly asses. My apologies, this is a long post. However, I need to lay a basic foundation as well as address a few of your items/answers above. The problem is, I'm short on time. My master's degree can't get me anywhere anymore in this economy, so I'm working on an unrelated doctorate. School fires back up in a week. OK, let's get on with this! Bob's post leads me to ask if you're even American. I was thinking that you're an American, maybe an expat, over there. The point is that, although everyone can have an opinion in this matter, foreigners should be careful to keep their thoughts on the subdued side. Many, including myself, see outsiders meddling in our affairs as being akin to some strangers jumping into a family argument. Sometimes, both sides will jump on an interloper, kick their ass, and then go back to their fight! The primary problem with outsiders engaging in this is that they really have no idea what American history and culture is all about. Hell, most Americans don't have a clue, thanks to the Communist Publik Skool Indoctrination Centers. Yes, they are Communistic, read the 10 Planks if you don't believe me. This is a strange communist democracy we live in, not a Constitutional Republic any longer. Anyway, to truly understand the position of myself and up to 100 million other gun owners, you have to BE American AND have a thorough knowledge of our history and culture. Living it is an absolute criteria. That is why half of our population doesn't know jack shit, they have no knowledge and live a life devoid of traditional American values. Any such person is going to be sadly misinformed at best. OK, to the questions. This is all the truth, easily verifiable. Private ownership of automatic weapons is rare. There are about 120,000 full auto pieces registered to civilians in the NFA database. In the hands of criminals and gangs, nobody could know the numbers, but estimates arrive at about another 120,000. That makes a total that is ONE TWELFTH OF A PERCENT of all American firepower. Legal or illegal, very few crimes are committed with these guns. 2 people have been killed with legally owned automatic weapons since 1934, and one of the killers was a Dayton, Ohio COP! NOBODY hunts with an automatic weapon. One or two rounds usually makes the kill. Sheesh ... Less than 50,000 people legally own military weapons. Yeah, that's all. Half of the guys/gals who own these own more than one. Want to see Americans playing with fun toys? Look up Knob Creek. So, there goes Kiwi's bullshit about full auto weapons. People who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground shouldn't talk shit. Talk about opening one's mouth and removing all doubt! As far as SEMI-auto weapons go? Over half the guns in the world are semi-auto. Good luck with restricting those in this country. Not gonna happen, people will just ignore any laws about that. Seems that there are over 60 million of these weapons in Europe alone, where they are illegal.  Moving along, Columbine High School had a sheriff’s deputy on scene when the shooting broke out. That’s right. "He traded fire (that is, he drew fire) with Harris for an extended period of time, during which Harris’s gun jammed. The deputy and the backup he immediately called for exchanged fire with the shooters a second time and helped begin the evacuation of students, all before the SWAT teams and the rest of the cavalry arrived, and before Harris and Klebold killed themselves in the library." So who knows how many were saved by this guy. The goblins had IED's and more that weren't used. This latest scum had to take the time to shoot out a wire mesh security window before entering. An armed citizen guard or teacher could have stopped him right there. Since we are primarily a European culture, comparisons to anywhere but Europe and those from Europe are meaningless. Even those are very skewed, because they aren't Americans! Oz and the Enzies are awash in violent crime since they criminalized gun ownership. So is all of Europe. Canada has seen a definite rise, but nowhere near the rest of these countries. You can't compare us to the Japanese, Indians, Arabs, or anyone else. That's silly. Yes, we do have a higher murder rate. That is due to the punks, criminals and gangs killing each other. LOL, the amounts of "children" killed by guns here? Most of them are gang-bangers! This is all in FBI databases, if you want to check. Nuclear/Biological/Chemical weapons (NBC's) ? Reductio ad absurdum. Irrelevant. Same for kids. They don't fight because they are committing crimes. You know as well as I do that kid fights should be bare-fisted and of roughly equal size. That's it. The whole point of being armed is "Just in case." Shit happens anywhere at any time. Same logic as having a spare tire and a fire extinguisher. I even carry in the mountains, etc. There are lots of 4-legged critters to be wary of around here. Bears, pumas, javelina hogs, and rattlers. Hell, even pissed off elk! Yeah, most of the time you can scare them off. But ...  Now, we finally arrive at the heart of this whole issue. The 2nd Amendment is NOT about hunting, target shooting, or even self-defense. It was written explicitly to enable the People to overwhelm a corrupt and tyrannical U.S. Gov't OR an attacking foreign gov't. Police should never be armed better than the populace. Aside from NBC's, military hardware should be available to citizens. Back in 1776, the state of the art personal weapon was the Brown Bess musket or American rifle. Private citizens owned these, as well as artillery and warships. Of course, modern equipment is expensive, many can't afford much more than what is available to citizens right now. We can already own tanks and fighter jets in this country. Even military ships. Unfortunately, they can't have any more than the current legal firepower on board. That means automatic weapons up to 20mm. Once again, that stuff is expensive as hell and hard to qualify for, requiring NFA paperwork, etc. Think of the Feds getting to anally probe you at first, then even more at least once a year. The 2nd means that if you have the money, say 10 billion dollars? You should be able to buy an aircraft carrier! I'd imagine that super-classified technology would be an issue, so let's just say an older one for half that price. That doesn't include aircraft. I'd draw the line at NBC's. NOBODY shouild have that shit, not even our Gov't. But, Pandora's Box has been opened, that shit can never be put back in again.  At this point, one might exclaim, "THAT'S INSANE! You can't let American citizens have that kind of weaponry!" Well, as I said, all of that stuff is expensive beyond the reach of most people, even groups of citizen militia. It would be tough to get. Bottom line? IT'S IN THE CONSTITUTION! We already let the assholes in our Gov't have all those toys. What makes ANYONE think that they have ever behaved responsibly with their armament? At least American citizens won't go start wars with people on other continents. Or not very many of us would! Along those lines, people here go berserk and commit terrible atrocities all the time. We call them Congress and the President. Or the Feds and the police. Once again, the average citizen is much more mentally stable than any of those incompetent fucks! Duly elected or highly trained, my ass. I'll dispel that bullshit as fast as I can type! Finally, yes, we ARE being nice right now. There is a growing sentiment, shared by at least 20% of gun owners right now. Simply stated, "Try to mess with our rights or take away our guns. We will kill you." And just because a few statists might own a little bit of firepower, that doesn't mean that they know how to really use it. Most have an irrational fear of weaponry, and the small percentage who don't and actually ARE trained in combat? They are slightly outnumbered. And I am very well-trained, personally. As I've always said, we have conceded far too much already. NFA, 1934. (That actually confirmed our right to military weapons, though!) GCA, 1968. FOPA, 1986. The useless and failed AWB, 1994. Not to mention all of the state and local laws put in place. That has left us with very little that is "legal" anymore. Once more, it's time for the statists to give something back. We always concede and they always want more. Otherwise, this cold war over guns that has been going on for 78 years may go hot. Tempers are running short here. Witness the amount of firepower and ammo sold in the last couple of weeks. Not all of that is due to a perception of scarcity coming soon. If you think that even only 3% of us can't take out the Gov't, with the help of at least 10% of the .mil and cops? Telll that to the backward Afghanis who are kicking our asses with bolt action rifles, full auto AK's, and RPG's, all of which we possess, can modify, or build from scratch. Now, back to armed citizens (NOT cops!) and willingly armed teachers guarding our schools. Your thoughts? -------------------------------- Obama and the prog/lib Congress, creating a class of Americans not widely seen in 100 years. Civil War Veterans. - Mike Vanderboegh Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum Audentes Fortuna Iuvat Politicians. Lampposts. Assembly Required.
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CRAP! I knew I'd miss something. The AR style rifle, which stands for Armalite Rifle, and NOT "assault rifle", uses the .223/5.56mm round. This round is not powerful at all. Matter of fact, it is illegal to hunt deer, elk, etc. with this round in most states. The .mil likes it BECAUSE of that. The ammo is light per round, so you can carry more. Also, it is more likely to only wound the enemy. That is advantageous in that it takes 2 more guys to drag their friend away to a medic, taking 3 people out of combat. Dead people are usually left to lie there until the shooting stops. OK? Good. Seeya! Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum Audentes Fortuna Iuvat Politicians. Lampposts. Assembly Required.
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Bob, you ought to clarify that statement. I know what you're trying to say, but it didn't come off the way you meant it, man! Your comment right after the one I quoted covered my thoughts exquisitely! Oh,Knob Creek,you should come visit,I'm only 70miles south.  AsianMatchMate.com Parody Of a Real Sex Site
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Hey moce, I'm not a fan of guns. As a matter of fact I don't think they should even exist. But they do. And I think they are cool machines. Hahahaha. When I had my first daughter, I went and got my gun license. When had my second daughter I bought my first gun. lol! They are a part of our world whether we like it or not. I said before that I do t think they should exist and this is why: Guns were invented and created with the sole purpose of killing other humans. They weren't invented for hunting food. The bow and arrow were Invented to feed humans, they might have been used to kill humans, but their original purpose was to feed. Same with knives... I think they are neat, but I also don't like them for that reason. Anyone who owns a gun whether its for hunting or target practice is fooling themselves with their rationale. guns are for killing people...and then used for other things. Make no mistake with this. You don't bring a tiger into your home and expect it to play well forever with your children. If you bring a tiger into your home to play with your kids, expect it to eat them. Haha! Switzerland was never taken by the Germans. Its a tiny little country. It should've been swallowed up by them especially seeing as how the Germans decided to conquer Russia and Poland and France and italy. Why didn't switzerland fall to the Germans? At the time, every man who went through the swiss guard (and every man had to), they had to take home the military rifles that they trained with. Every home in swizterland had a military grade weapon with a military trained person behind it. Its tough to take a country when every home has a gun with a soldier in it. This is why Germany instituted gun laws before the war. They wanted to know who had guns and who didn't, and they took them all away from their citizens. It made overthrowing their own country much easier. This is also why nobody has invaded the US. This is why nuclear war was threatened. You can't land troops to take a country if there is a gun in every house. I don't like cars. They polute the air, they kill people etc. I learned to drive one though. Besides some are very pretty! They are built to get me from A to B. And some are fun to race from A to B. They are part of our world whether I like it or not. They were invented to get us from A to B... But we use them for other things too. Liked this topic.
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